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'''See also:''' | |||
* [[MIA Lists]] - lists of database entries where the described files are not public. | |||
* [https://datomatic.no-intro.org/index.php?page=search DAT-o-MATIC] - see what is dumped, and out of those, what needs re-dumping | |||
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Note: These lists may not be fully up-to-date - check [https://datomatic.no-intro.org/index.php?page=search&s=64 DAT-o-MATIC] before buying anything. | |||
==APF MP 1000 / Imagination Machine== | |||
{{APF|none}} | |||
==Atari== | ==Atari== | ||
===2600=== | ===2600=== | ||
* | {{A26|none}} | ||
===5200=== | |||
{{A52|none}} | |||
===7800=== | |||
{{A78|none}} | |||
===Jaguar=== | |||
{{JAG|none}} | |||
===Lynx=== | |||
{{LNX|none}} | |||
===8-bit=== | |||
* Not yet created | |||
===ST=== | |||
* Not yet created | |||
==Bally Astrocade== | |||
{{AST|none}} | |||
==Bandai== | ==Bandai== | ||
===WonderSwan Color=== | ===Gundam RX-78=== | ||
* [[ | {{R78|none}} | ||
===Design Master=== | |||
{{BDM|none}} | |||
===WonderSwan (Color)=== | |||
{{WS|none}} | |||
==Benesse Pocket Challenge W/V2== | |||
{{WS|none}} | |||
==Bit Corp. Gamate== | |||
* Not yet created | |||
==Casio== | |||
===Loopy=== | |||
* [[Casio - Loopy undumped|All]] | |||
===PV-1000=== | |||
* [[Casio - PV-1000 undumped|All]] | |||
==Coleco Colecovision== | |||
todo: https://twitter.com/plgDavid/status/1703155713801945133 | |||
* Not yet created | |||
* | |||
==Emerson Arcadia 2001== | |||
* Not yet created | |||
==Entex Adventure Vision== | |||
* Not yet created | |||
==Epoch== | |||
===Super Casette Vision=== | |||
{{EPC|none}} | |||
===Game Pocket Computer=== | |||
{{EPC|none}} | |||
==Fairchild Channel F== | |||
* Not yet created | |||
==Fisher-Price== | |||
===I Can Play! Piano=== | |||
* [[I Can Play! Piano undumped|All]] | |||
===Kasey the Kinderbot=== | |||
* [[Kasey the Kinderbot undumped|All]] | |||
===Smart Cycle=== | |||
* [[Smart Cycle undumped|All]] | |||
==Funtech Super Acan== | |||
* Not yet created | |||
==GamePark== | |||
===GP32=== | |||
* [[GamePark - GP32 undumped|All]] | |||
===GP2X=== | |||
* Not yet created | |||
==GCE Vectrex== | |||
* Not yet created | |||
==Hartung Game Master== | |||
{{Hartung - Game Master|none}} | |||
==IBM - PC and Compatibles== | |||
{{PC|none}} | |||
==Interton VC 4000== | |||
* Not yet created | |||
==Konami Picno== | |||
* Not yet created | |||
==LeapFrog== | ==LeapFrog== | ||
===LeapPad=== | |||
* Not yet created | |||
===Leapster Learning Game System=== | ===Leapster Learning Game System=== | ||
* [[LeapFrog - Leapster USA undumped|USA]] | * [[LeapFrog - Leapster USA undumped|USA]] | ||
==Magnavox Odyssey 2== | |||
* Not yet created | |||
==Mattel Intellivision== | |||
* [[Mattel - Intellivision undumped|All]] | |||
==Microsoft== | |||
===MSX=== | |||
* Not yet created | |||
===MSX2=== | |||
* Not yet created | |||
===Xbox=== | |||
* [[Non-Redump - Microsoft - Xbox 360 undumped|Non-Redump Discs]] | |||
==Mobile== | |||
===Palm OS=== | |||
* [[Palm OS undumped|All]] | |||
===Pocket PC=== | |||
* [[Pocket PC undumped|All]] | |||
==NEC== | |||
===Turbografx 16 / PC Engine=== | |||
* [[NEC - Turbografx 16 - PC Engine undumped|All]] | |||
===Supergrafx=== | |||
* Not yet created | |||
==Nichibutsu MyVision== | |||
* Not yet created | |||
==Nikko Digiblast== | |||
* [[Nikko - Digiblast undumped|All]] | |||
==Nintendo== | ==Nintendo== | ||
=== | ===Nintendo Entertainment System=== | ||
{{NES|none}} | |||
{{clear}} | |||
===Game Boy (Color)=== | ===Game Boy (Color)=== | ||
{{GB|none}} | |||
{{clear}} | |||
===Super Nintendo Entertainment System=== | |||
{{SNES|none}} | |||
{{clear}} | |||
===Nintendo 64=== | |||
{{N64|none}} | |||
{{clear}} | |||
===Game Boy Advance=== | ===Game Boy Advance=== | ||
{{GBA|none}} | |||
{{clear}} | |||
===DS(i)=== | ===DS(i)=== | ||
{{DS|none}} | |||
* [[Nintendo - | {{clear}} | ||
* [[ | ===GameCube=== | ||
* [[ | {{todo| | ||
* [[ | * xeno crisis download https://shop.bitmapbureau.com/collections/nintendo-gamecube/products/xeno-crisis-nintendo-gamecube-rom-download | ||
* [[ | }} | ||
* [[Nintendo - Nintendo GameCube Memory Cards undumped|Memory Cards]] | |||
{{clear}} | |||
===Wii=== | |||
{{WII|none}} | |||
{{clear}} | |||
===3DS=== | |||
{{3DS|none}} | |||
{{clear}} | |||
===Wii U=== | |||
{{WIIU|none}} | |||
{{clear}} | |||
===Switch=== | |||
{{NSW|none}} | |||
{{clear}} | |||
===Pokemon Mini=== | |||
* [[Nintendo - Pokemon Mini undumped|Pokemon Mini]] | |||
===Miscellaneous=== | |||
{{NMISC|none}} | |||
{{clear}} | |||
==Nokia N-Gage== | |||
* [[Nokia - N-Gage USA undumped]] | |||
==Ouya Inc. Ouya== | |||
* Not yet created | |||
==Phillips== | |||
===Videopac+=== | |||
* Not yet created | |||
==RCA Studio II== | |||
* Not yet created | |||
==Sega== | |||
===Dreamcast=== | |||
* [[Non-Redump - Sega - Dreamcast undumped|Non-Redump Discs]] | |||
===SC3000=== | |||
* [[Sega - SC3000 undumped|All regions]] | |||
===Mega Drive - Genesis=== | |||
* [[Sega - Mega Drive - Genesis undumped|All]] | |||
===Game Gear=== | |||
* [[Sega - Mega Drive - Game Gear Japan undumped|Japan]] | |||
* [[Sega - Mega Drive - Game Gear USA undumped|USA]] | |||
* [[Sega - Mega Drive - Game Gear Europe undumped|Europe]] | |||
===32X=== | |||
* [[Sega - 32X unknown undumped|Unknown]] | |||
==SNK== | |||
===Neo Geo Pocket (Color)=== | |||
* [[SNK - Neo Geo Pocket undumped|All regions]] | |||
==Sony== | |||
===PlayStation=== | |||
* [[Non-Redump - Sony - PlayStation|Non-Redump Discs]] | |||
===PlayStation 2=== | |||
* [[Non-Redump - Sony - PlayStation 2|Non-Redump Discs]] | |||
* [[Sony - PlayStation 2 (Digital) undumped|Digital]] | |||
===PlayStation Portable (UMD Video)=== | |||
* [[Sony - PlayStation Portable (UMD Video) Japan undumped|Japan]] | |||
===PlayStation Portable (PSN)=== | |||
* [[Sony - PlayStation Portable (PSN) Japan undumped|Japan]] | |||
===PlayStation 3=== | |||
* [[Sony - PlayStation 3 (PSN) undumped|PSN]] | |||
* [[Non-Redump - Sony - PlayStation 3|Non-Redump Discs]] | |||
===PlayStation Vita=== | |||
* [[Sony - PlayStation Vita undumped]] | |||
==Tiger Game.com== | |||
* Not yet created | |||
==Tiger Telematics Gizmondo== | |||
* Not yet created | |||
==Toshiba Visicom C-100== | |||
* [[Toshiba Visicom C-100 undumped|Japan]] | |||
==VTech== | |||
===CreatiVision=== | |||
* Not yet created | |||
===Mobigo=== | |||
* Not yet created | |||
===V.Smile=== | |||
* [[VTech V.Smile undumped|All]] | |||
==Watara Supervision== | |||
{{Watara Supervision|none}} | |||
==Wellbeck Mega Duck== | |||
* Not yet created | |||
==Zeebo Inc. Zeebo== | |||
* Not yet created | |||
===DSi ( | ==To-Do== | ||
* [[ | * add rest of suspected missing revisions using the datomatic tool - 3DS USA ROMs (that were datted as of 2018-06-24) are done<br> | ||
* check if there is any undocumented undumped stuff listed here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1J_Om0jFXOxcXQ7vJrY-Wik8mdGmwBSqDCf6hTL30Hxs/edit#gid=305375715 | |||
* check for roms that are in dom but not in lotcheck sheets to find fake/bad dumps in DoM and to find the "blind spots" of the lotcheck sheet and DSi whitelist (e.g. non-Nintendo-manufactured games / games post-2013ish and DS games that uses the newer encryption, respectively) | |||
** [https://wiki.no-intro.org/index.php?title=Nintendo_-_Nintendo_DS(i)_All_regions_undumped#Dumped%20and%20datted,%20but%20not%20on%20lotcheck%20sheet done for DS as of 2022-10-09] | |||
* SNES lotcheck sheet has checksums in the comment field of some entries. compare these with the datted ROMs, and check if other sheets have checksums in the comment field. | |||
* compare serials in sky3ds template with serials in dom | |||
* see if certain areas of lotcheck sheets (in their original ordering) other than the DS one seem to be dedicated to unreleased roms | |||
* [[:File:ds pokemon distro carts.jpg]] | |||
* compare the numbers on DoM with these numbers https://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/finance/historical_data/index.html | |||
* check in-game build dates/back of cart production run dates to determine if suspected revisions are likely to exist | |||
* compare the dsiware ROMs in the 2020-09-09 nintendo leak with the lotcheck spreadsheet | |||
* compare the leaked FDS master ROMs with what is in the dat | |||
* how to identify nintendo cart revisions from the outside http://nekokabu.s7.xrea.com/blog/2009/03/20090311194153-239.html (may be a bit less reliable than looking at the ROM chip) | |||
* Various prototypes | |||
** https://wiki.no-intro.org/index.php?title=File:US_National_Videogame_Museum_prototypes.jpg | |||
** https://twitter.com/jironosuke99/status/973971764425277440 | |||
** https://twitter.com/jironosuke99/status/944023925222076421 | |||
** https://twitter.com/jironosuke99/status/865151903973335045 | |||
** https://twitter.com/jironosuke99/status/1351884128191299590 | |||
** https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Ip4gAxHBf0 | |||
** https://twitter.com/Borman18/status/1430184186862788629 | |||
** https://reddit.com/r/gamecollecting/comments/lcv3zk/my_million_dollar_nintendo_prototype_collection/ | |||
** https://forum.digitpress.com/forum/showthread.php?149452-FS-Genesis-Mega-Drive-32X-SNES-PROTO-MADNESS | |||
** https://archive.org/details/steven-seventyeight-uploaded-videos | |||
** https://twitter.com/RJ_Star/status/1696265586278613410 | |||
** https://www.flickr.com/photos/robertschmuck/15311721739/ | |||
* http://thevideogameproject.com/ | |||
** Various NES | |||
*** https://www.facebook.com/830676047139190/photos/a.854241648115963/976047449268715/?type=3 https://m.facebook.com/830676047139190/photos/we-love-prototypes-all-these-nes-prototypes-have-been-authenticated-dumped-and-p/976047449268715/ | |||
*** https://twitter.com/frankcifaldi/status/765294125566439424 | |||
** Various N64 | |||
*** https://www.gamesthatwerent.com/2020/11/frogger-2-swampys-revenge/ | |||
** Various Genesis | |||
*** https://www.reddit.com/r/gamecollecting/comments/mn12y6/my_collection_of_sega_genesis_protodemo_carts/ | |||
* todo: check all versions of the dsi whitelist again | |||
* 3ds todo: | |||
** on each page, add note to entries that aren't on the lotcheck sheet | |||
** chinese lovure guide upcoming? https://twitter.com/DVDfan1/status/1403191873628520455 | |||
* SimCopter development materials https://gamehistory.org/simcopter-64/ | |||
* drx on hidden palaxe discord, on 2022-12-21: "i dumped this [sonic advance 2 gba proto cart] earlier this year but it was final" ([[:File:GBA-proto-Sonic Advance 2-final.jpg|photo]]) | |||
* some mentions of undumped stuff here: https://tcrf.net/Outback_Joey https://tcrf.net/Prerelease:Life_Force_(NES) | |||
* https://twitter.com/plgDavid/status/1608877758293381125 ColecoVision smurf proto dump | |||
* Commodore MAX Slalom Cartridge (see internet archive slalom_202210 item) | |||
* apparently some of the half-life 2 leaks had some files that are missing from the later one combined one. don't know the url for these earlier leaks though, but names were prefixed with Repodump, apparently. | |||
* Lots of stuff from Forest of Illusion, Hidden Palace, Obscure Gamers etc | |||
* These internal sega docs could be useful - they list some product codes that appear on boxes https://segaretro.org/File:SegaFY1997BrandReview_US.pdf | |||
* https://twitter.com/neonarcadegrant/status/1679579345969446912 | |||
* NES playchoice 10 and vs system | |||
* DS expansion pack carts - some may have ROMs | |||
== | ==Notes== | ||
* | '''the following systems in the set of leaked nintendo lotcheck sheets have been fully checked against datomatic, with additions made to the undumped lists as appropriate:''' | ||
* Pokemon Mini | |||
* Virtual Boy | |||
* Nintendo 64 | |||
* Nintendo 64DD | |||
* Nintendo DSiWare | |||
* Nintendo DSi Exclusive | |||
* Super Nintendo Entertainment System | |||
* S-ROY (SNES Royalty production) | |||
'''the following systems have had IDs/hashes compared but not (fully) processed - the unprocessed lists can be found on the relevant sections/pages''' | |||
* | * Game Boy (Colour) | ||
* | * Game Boy Advance | ||
* | * Nintendo DS | ||
* Nintendo 3DS | |||
* Nintendo DSi Enhanced | |||
* | * Nintendo Entertainment System [unprocessed stuff can be found on wiki miss list thread on forum] | ||
* | |||
* | |||
'''the following systems have not been compared''' | |||
* NUD (Nintendo 64-based arcade games?) | |||
* Nintendo 3DS (digital titles not compared on same sheet mentioned above) | |||
* Super Nintendo Entertainment System (checksums not compared on same sheet mentioned above) | |||
[[Category:Missing Lists]] | [[Category:Missing Lists]] |
Latest revision as of 08:18, 19 October 2024
See also:
- MIA Lists - lists of database entries where the described files are not public.
- DAT-o-MATIC - see what is dumped, and out of those, what needs re-dumping
Note: These lists may not be fully up-to-date - check DAT-o-MATIC before buying anything.
APF MP 1000 / Imagination Machine
Atari
2600
5200
7800
Jaguar
Lynx
8-bit
- Not yet created
ST
- Not yet created
Bally Astrocade
Bally - Astrocade USA |
Bandai
Gundam RX-78
Bandai - Gundam RX-78 Japan |
Design Master
Bandai - Design Master Japan |
WonderSwan (Color)
Bandai - Bandai WonderSwan (Color) Retail: WonderSwan (Color) • WonderSwan Color bootsplash • Benesse Pocket Challenge v2 Prototypes: • WonderSwan (Color) Other Benesse (not WS compatible):
• Pocket Challenge W |
Benesse Pocket Challenge W/V2
Bandai - Bandai WonderSwan (Color) Retail: WonderSwan (Color) • WonderSwan Color bootsplash • Benesse Pocket Challenge v2 Prototypes: • WonderSwan (Color) Other Benesse (not WS compatible):
• Pocket Challenge W |
Bit Corp. Gamate
- Not yet created
Casio
Loopy
PV-1000
Coleco Colecovision
todo: https://twitter.com/plgDavid/status/1703155713801945133
- Not yet created
Emerson Arcadia 2001
- Not yet created
Entex Adventure Vision
- Not yet created
Epoch
Super Casette Vision
Game Pocket Computer
Fairchild Channel F
- Not yet created
Fisher-Price
I Can Play! Piano
Kasey the Kinderbot
Smart Cycle
Funtech Super Acan
- Not yet created
GamePark
GP32
GP2X
- Not yet created
GCE Vectrex
- Not yet created
Hartung Game Master
IBM - PC and Compatibles
IBM - PC and Compatibles Physical: Flash Media • Non-Redump Discs (MIA) Digital: Misc • Humble Bundle • itch.io • Steam • Epic Games Launcher |
Interton VC 4000
- Not yet created
Konami Picno
- Not yet created
LeapFrog
LeapPad
- Not yet created
Leapster Learning Game System
- Not yet created
Mattel Intellivision
Microsoft
MSX
- Not yet created
MSX2
- Not yet created
Xbox
Mobile
Palm OS
Pocket PC
NEC
Turbografx 16 / PC Engine
Supergrafx
- Not yet created
Nichibutsu MyVision
- Not yet created
Nikko Digiblast
Nintendo
Nintendo Entertainment System
Nintendo - Nintendo Entertainment System Retail: Japan • USA • Europe Hong Kong • India • Brazil • Disk System Konami Q-ta • FamicomBox • StudyBox Family Computer Network System • Family Basic Unlicensed: • All regions Prototypes: • All regions |
Game Boy (Color)
Nintendo - Game Boy / Color Retail: Japan • USA • Europe • Unsorted Unlicensed: • All regions Prototypes: • All regions Nintendo - Game Boy Nintendo - Game Boy Color |
Super Nintendo Entertainment System
Nintendo - Super Nintendo Entertainment System Retail: Japan • USA • Europe • Satellaview Unlicensed: • All regions Prototypes: • All regions |
Nintendo 64
Nintendo - Nintendo 64 Retail: Japan • USA • Europe Aleck 64 • Mario no Photopi SmartMedia Unlicensed: • All regions Prototypes: • All regions |
Game Boy Advance
Nintendo - Game Boy Advance Carts: Japan • USA • Europe • Australia • Korea (Dumping guide) e-Reader: All regions (MIA) SmartMedia: Japan |
DS(i)
Nintendo - Nintendo DS(i) Physical: World • Japan • USA • Canada • Europe • Australia • Korea • China • Unknown region • All regions • (MIA) Digital: DS Download Play • DSi All regions • Touch! Try! DS! |
GameCube
To-do: |
---|
Wii
Nintendo - Nintendo Wii Digital: All regions |
3DS
Wii U
Nintendo - Nintendo Wii U Digital: All regions • Joysound Festa • (MIA) |
Switch
Pokemon Mini
Miscellaneous
Nintendo - Miscellaneous Physical: Compact Flash Kiosk Videos • Namco, Sega, Nintendo - Triforce carts Digital: Misc All regions • (MIA) |
Nokia N-Gage
Ouya Inc. Ouya
- Not yet created
Phillips
Videopac+
- Not yet created
RCA Studio II
- Not yet created
Sega
Dreamcast
SC3000
Mega Drive - Genesis
Game Gear
32X
SNK
Neo Geo Pocket (Color)
Sony
PlayStation
PlayStation 2
PlayStation Portable (UMD Video)
PlayStation Portable (PSN)
PlayStation 3
PlayStation Vita
Tiger Game.com
- Not yet created
Tiger Telematics Gizmondo
- Not yet created
Toshiba Visicom C-100
VTech
CreatiVision
- Not yet created
Mobigo
- Not yet created
V.Smile
Watara Supervision
Wellbeck Mega Duck
- Not yet created
Zeebo Inc. Zeebo
- Not yet created
To-Do
- add rest of suspected missing revisions using the datomatic tool - 3DS USA ROMs (that were datted as of 2018-06-24) are done
- check if there is any undocumented undumped stuff listed here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1J_Om0jFXOxcXQ7vJrY-Wik8mdGmwBSqDCf6hTL30Hxs/edit#gid=305375715
- check for roms that are in dom but not in lotcheck sheets to find fake/bad dumps in DoM and to find the "blind spots" of the lotcheck sheet and DSi whitelist (e.g. non-Nintendo-manufactured games / games post-2013ish and DS games that uses the newer encryption, respectively)
- SNES lotcheck sheet has checksums in the comment field of some entries. compare these with the datted ROMs, and check if other sheets have checksums in the comment field.
- compare serials in sky3ds template with serials in dom
- see if certain areas of lotcheck sheets (in their original ordering) other than the DS one seem to be dedicated to unreleased roms
- File:ds pokemon distro carts.jpg
- compare the numbers on DoM with these numbers https://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/finance/historical_data/index.html
- check in-game build dates/back of cart production run dates to determine if suspected revisions are likely to exist
- compare the dsiware ROMs in the 2020-09-09 nintendo leak with the lotcheck spreadsheet
- compare the leaked FDS master ROMs with what is in the dat
- how to identify nintendo cart revisions from the outside http://nekokabu.s7.xrea.com/blog/2009/03/20090311194153-239.html (may be a bit less reliable than looking at the ROM chip)
- Various prototypes
- https://wiki.no-intro.org/index.php?title=File:US_National_Videogame_Museum_prototypes.jpg
- https://twitter.com/jironosuke99/status/973971764425277440
- https://twitter.com/jironosuke99/status/944023925222076421
- https://twitter.com/jironosuke99/status/865151903973335045
- https://twitter.com/jironosuke99/status/1351884128191299590
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Ip4gAxHBf0
- https://twitter.com/Borman18/status/1430184186862788629
- https://reddit.com/r/gamecollecting/comments/lcv3zk/my_million_dollar_nintendo_prototype_collection/
- https://forum.digitpress.com/forum/showthread.php?149452-FS-Genesis-Mega-Drive-32X-SNES-PROTO-MADNESS
- https://archive.org/details/steven-seventyeight-uploaded-videos
- https://twitter.com/RJ_Star/status/1696265586278613410
- https://www.flickr.com/photos/robertschmuck/15311721739/
- http://thevideogameproject.com/
- Various NES
- Various N64
- Various Genesis
- todo: check all versions of the dsi whitelist again
- 3ds todo:
- on each page, add note to entries that aren't on the lotcheck sheet
- chinese lovure guide upcoming? https://twitter.com/DVDfan1/status/1403191873628520455
- SimCopter development materials https://gamehistory.org/simcopter-64/
- drx on hidden palaxe discord, on 2022-12-21: "i dumped this [sonic advance 2 gba proto cart] earlier this year but it was final" (photo)
- some mentions of undumped stuff here: https://tcrf.net/Outback_Joey https://tcrf.net/Prerelease:Life_Force_(NES)
- https://twitter.com/plgDavid/status/1608877758293381125 ColecoVision smurf proto dump
- Commodore MAX Slalom Cartridge (see internet archive slalom_202210 item)
- apparently some of the half-life 2 leaks had some files that are missing from the later one combined one. don't know the url for these earlier leaks though, but names were prefixed with Repodump, apparently.
- Lots of stuff from Forest of Illusion, Hidden Palace, Obscure Gamers etc
- These internal sega docs could be useful - they list some product codes that appear on boxes https://segaretro.org/File:SegaFY1997BrandReview_US.pdf
- https://twitter.com/neonarcadegrant/status/1679579345969446912
- NES playchoice 10 and vs system
- DS expansion pack carts - some may have ROMs
Notes
the following systems in the set of leaked nintendo lotcheck sheets have been fully checked against datomatic, with additions made to the undumped lists as appropriate:
- Pokemon Mini
- Virtual Boy
- Nintendo 64
- Nintendo 64DD
- Nintendo DSiWare
- Nintendo DSi Exclusive
- Super Nintendo Entertainment System
- S-ROY (SNES Royalty production)
the following systems have had IDs/hashes compared but not (fully) processed - the unprocessed lists can be found on the relevant sections/pages
- Game Boy (Colour)
- Game Boy Advance
- Nintendo DS
- Nintendo 3DS
- Nintendo DSi Enhanced
- Nintendo Entertainment System [unprocessed stuff can be found on wiki miss list thread on forum]
the following systems have not been compared
- NUD (Nintendo 64-based arcade games?)
- Nintendo 3DS (digital titles not compared on same sheet mentioned above)
- Super Nintendo Entertainment System (checksums not compared on same sheet mentioned above)